BEHIND MUMBAI LIES KASHMIR
WASHINGTON December 15, 2008
The respected US strategic think tank, RAND Corp, estimated that a nuclear exchange between India and Pakistan would initially kill two million people, wound 100 million, and send clouds of radioactive dust around the globe.
The US and India were delighted.  India always claimed the Kashmir uprising was due to `cross-border terrorism’ from Pakistan,  though the revolt was a genuine national uprising against Indian misrule. 
 
Pakistanis were outraged by this double betrayal, calling Musharraf an American stooge.  Now,  President Asif Zardari’s feeble new government is continuing the same policy under US pressure, to the anger and contempt of many Pakistanis.  He is seen as being even more subservient to Washington than his hated predecessor, Pervez Musharraf.
 
Pakistan has two governments: civilian and military.  The generals and ISI have never abandoned their goal of a Pakistani-dominated Afghanistan,  or continuing the Kashmir jihad.  Both are seen as vital national interests.  Pakistan’s generals look with derision and distaste on Zardari, who is dogged by accusations of gross corruption and malfeasance.  
 
Washington has rented 130,000 Pakistani soldiers to wage war against Pashtun tribesmen allied to Taliban on Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier. The US pays their salaries and provides them with food and transport.  These rented soldiers, or `sepoys,’ as the British Raj used to call its native troops, detest their mission. The once proud Pakistani army has become a mercenary force. 
 
Now,  in response to the deteriorating military situation in Afghanistan, the Pentagon is putting together a plan to send more divisions of its rented Pakistani Army to fight Taliban and other resistance forces in Afghanistan.
 
Few Americans understand the growing radicalization of Pakistan caused by Washington  forcing its rulers and soldiers to go against the sentiments and interests of the nation.  
 
Instead, the US keeps listening to the westernized Pakistani elite, less than 1% of the population, and left-leaning `experts,’ like Ahmad Rashid, who keep telling Washington what it wants to hear, rather than hard truths.
 
The festering Kashmir conflict that pits nuclear armed India and Pakistan against each other lies behind the Mumbai massacre.   Solving this dangerous business must be as high a priority for the great powers as ending murderous attacks on civilians. 
 
Endlessly repeating the mantra about `fighting terrorism’ will not solve the dangerous conflicts in South Asia or the Mideast.
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copyright  Eric S. Margolis 2008 
 
 
 
 
Market Socialist
Monday, December 15, 2008 3:10 PM
Perhaps a nuclear exchange is what the US is hoping for. With Billions of dollars in bail out money promised to various aspects of the "Power Elite", debt and deficit, printing currency can only go so long before inflation sets in. A pre-aranged war would be just what the doctor (or bankster ) ordered.

All those former third world countries that now hold US debt can not call a loan if they swim in radioactivity.

God help us all.
ys
Monday, December 15, 2008 9:51 PM
"Perhaps a nuclear exchange is what the US is hoping for"

Did you forget your meds?
Market Socialist
Monday, December 15, 2008 10:31 PM
ys

Surely you jest as to whom is off of their meds. The past eight years of Neo Con “New World Order” fits perfectly well with the mind set of first strike and “limited nuclear” engagement to render inert any perceived threat. These are not my words, but the words of the current outgoing administration. Any sane person knows that any nuclear exchange would be catastrophic for mankind. Do you actually think that the “Power Elite” cares? For them it is a question of money accumulation and what they need to do to put themselves in a position to acquire said money. A nuclear war between India and Pakistan would surly enrich some to the detriment of us all. That however, is the way the Neo Cons operate.
Rampart
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:55 AM

[A nuclear war between India and Pakistan would surly enrich some]

http://www.shrunklink.com/bjth

You will like this. Goodness knows, this might be what really happens around here.
ys
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:05 AM
Questioner! I can't believe you of all people would toss me a the-Mossad-tried-to-set-off-a-nuke-war soggy-blog post.

Bro, rule of thumb is that anybody who uses the initials NWO is definitely off his meds and can't concentrate long enough to read a book. The people who call the current word system, a new world order are people who haven't picked up a book in the last eight years. This system we have in place globally is good old fashioned C-A-P-I-T-A-L-I-S-M. Just a whole lot of people trying to make an honest buck. And some, not so honest. but plain and simple Capitalism none the less.

Your call Rampu.
ys
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:36 AM
fool=anybody who uses nwo and cant understand Economics.

BTW did you know Eric has a list of censored words which restricts the publication of a response; smart man. An Indo-Pak war would be of no use to anyone money wise; India's too important to the economic system of the world. And I don't think one should toss in a source if you don't agree with its central theme.

Ever since the 2006 invasion of Israel, I've always doubted the brains running that place; and the competence of those guys too.
Rampart
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:46 AM

[An Indo-Pak war would be of no use to anyone money wise]

Let me give you an example.

You know one of those airborne radar planes Israel makes? The ones that India is trying to get?

If Israel makes that plane for itself, it only needs 3, at the most, to cover all it's needs. BUT... they won't even break even... will make a heavy loss on investment... if they don't make a dozen of those planes.

So they have a very strong incentive to sell.

Another example... the plane that was designed to be unbeatable in the air... the "Lavi" (hebrew for "Lion")... was soooo costly to make in limited numbers, the project was abandoned.

However, they were more or less forced (by the profits acquired) to sell Lavi technology to China. Who made the J-10 out of it. Which Pakistan bought. LOL

"In times of War, someone always makes a profit!" (Quark.. Ferengi from Star Trek)

Perhaps they are stupid enough (I agree with you.. I am not impressed by their brains) to hope for a limited war? THAT will, for sure, boost their arms sales to India many times over.
ys
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:24 AM
Limited war? Sure. But even then, both countries cant go longer than 3 months cause then their fuel and foreign exchanges run out.

Nuclear Exchange? Never. And thus people who talk about nuclear exchanges are nuts.
ys
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:26 AM
conspiracy theorists should have learned from the last eight years that its more ignorance and incompetence than anything else.
Rampart
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:30 AM
I know at least half of it is crap obviously.

Yet, a fight .. or rather, tension.... between India and Pakistan will be of benefit to a nation of war-mongers (Israel).

So I just threw the article out here to see what you guys think. Doesn't mean I subscribe to most of it. Just thought it worth talking about. So chill.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 2:01 AM
Market Soc. is probably right.
manzoor ahmed
Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:04 PM
yeah its very good anylsis probably its time to use full force which does not exclude nuclear option.
kashmir is major cause indian wants it solution for good at the cost of terrorism on pakistan expense.

if pakistan loose india is definatly losin bigger share.pakistan can recover but india takes more time, my assessment new year will be tough for pakistan ,
Rampart
Monday, December 15, 2008 4:36 PM

[The respected US strategic think tank, RAND Corp]


Respected?

See video of War-Chimp ducking flying shoes, to see how much 'respect' America has today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duLds-TZMGw

Reacted like a ninja, damn him... or was it his ape reflexes?

As for the nuke exchange... yes, that would initiate severe climate change. Worldwide temp would drop 25-30 C... to start with. And yes, this was calculated when we only had 'baby nukes'... not MIRVed city-busters.


[In fact, India did come very closer to launching retaliatory military operations against Pakistan during the week of 7-14 December, according to sources close to the Pentagon.]


Sez 'the Pentagon'? Those "WMD WMD" drama queens?

The Indians reacted EXACTLY as everyone thought they would. "Vicious in language, soft in action".


[Now, in response to the deteriorating military situation in Afghanistan, the Pentagon is putting together a plan to send more divisions of its rented Pakistani Army to fight Taliban and other resistance forces in Afghanistan. ]


You know what is going to happen finally?

Eric, you of all people, know very well, that if you try and bottle us up.. control us in any way... we only come back stronger.

No amount of control or sanctions have worked on Pakistan. In fact, thanks to American sanctions, we have all these nukes and missiles and stuff. These are ALL here because we were made to see that we couldn't depend on the US.

So they want more of our help? These Americans with their malfunctioning supply lines?

Sure. Knowing 'the West', they are going to pretend some kind of victory and run off yet again from Afghanistan (as they are doing from Iraq), leaving the country in the very capable hands of Pakistan's army.

In the end, we get it all.

We always do.
Unknown Man
Monday, December 15, 2008 6:07 PM
Mr. Singh: Margolis was referring specifically to the RAND Corp. being respected, not the U.S. or Mullah Bush.

However, that video was super funny! I laughed a lot. Too bad about Bush's ape reflexes and the journalist's poor aiming skills.

Apart from the military stuff that Pakstan seems to have a good grip on, what are your plans Mr. Singh for the bankrupt economy and the starving population that is living on 2 $ a day? Any suggestions? Like I said, the nukes keep you safe from Amreeka and Hindustan, but you can't put them in your soup when you are starving.
Rampart
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:00 AM

[Mr. Singh]

Hi, Mr.Frustrated Creep.


[and the starving population that is living on 2 $ a day?]

Eating Indians seems to be cheap enough these days. LOL
Unknown Man
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 5:23 PM
Hi, Mr. Starving Pak. Or should I call you Mr. full-time keyboard warrior and professor of Paki military stuff?

A Margolis article about Pakstan for you is like food for a starving man. Gives you something to keep you occupied.
Rampart
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 1:18 AM

[A Margolis article ....food for a starving man.]

*click*

Hello?

Margolis Pizza House?

One large chicken-tikka pizza! With all the works!

Yeah. 30 minutes? Ok, thank you.

*click*
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 2:10 AM
The serious aspect in relation to this comment is, we, the citizens of the world, have to consider very seriously is the issue of WMD: In my opinion, WMD must be banned Period, Without any Exceptions.
Desoc
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 12:28 AM
Rampart:

Your comments are interesting but you badly confuse Eric's intention. He merely said that Rand was respected, something that's impossible to dispute: it is highly respected.

You conflated that over to The Chimp in Chief, who is not respected at all—anywhere, at home or abroad. The shoe incident is perfect in so many ways.

Bush is frantically trying to shore up his legacy these days with interviews and photo ops everywhere to try and influence how people write about his 8 years in office. So he keeps repeating that his only regret is that the intel on Irak wasn't better!? An unbelievable piece of garbage since it's public record that Cheney and his gang cherry picked and distorted the intel badly, etc.

So off he goes to Irak to bolster his weak case of having 'liberated' Irak and brought 'democracy' with a few supporting photo ops that were supposed to show 'progress' and some 'normalcy' to go with his claim that Irak was as big success.

Instead, we have the hilarious scene of the president ducking (very adroitly, I might add) a pair of flying shoes (SHOEicide attack...in a New York paper), looking every bit like the chimp that he really is. It's as perfect a video clip as you can get: quick, dramatic, hilarious. Perfect for Youtube. It must have been seen by the majority of the people on the planet so far and will continue to be seen millions of times.

So, to wrap up his presidency, THAT'S the visual that will be attached to his visit to Irak, and to his presidency as as whole.

And the result... The Deciding Chimp gives the stupidest rationalization for what happened: Buddy wanted to get on television! Sure he did this incredible thing, passionately howling that the Chimp is a dog, getting himself arrested and obviously in deep trouble...just to get on TV.... a reporter at that?

On the other side, the whole Muslim world is behind this guy and he's a hero. Where is your support Mr Chimp in Chief??

Hilarious
Rampart
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:08 AM
[He merely said that Rand was respected, something that's impossible to dispute: it is highly respected.]

Respected by Americans, you mean.

I wouldn't know RAND from XEROX. (yes the ignorance is deliberate and meant as an insult)

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Wiki

The RAND Corporation has been criticized as militarist. Due to the nature of its work, the RAND corporation also frequently plays a role in conspiracy theories. They charge, as another example, that the RAND Corporation issues research reports on national missile defense that accelerate investment into the very military products being produced by the military manufacturers who control RAND. Critics assert that the status of most think-tanks as non-profit and tax exempt makes them an even more efficient tool to put special interest money to work. The Discovery Institute has generated a great deal of controversy by injecting the controversial concept of intelligent design into public debate.
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etc etc

Desoc
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:40 AM
"The RAND Corporation (Research ANd Development[1]) is a nonprofit global policy think tank first formed to offer research and analysis to the United States armed forces. The organization has since expanded to working with other governments, private foundations, international organizations, and commercial organizations. It is known for rigorous, often-quantitative, and non-partisan[2] analysis and policy recommendations."

"The achievements of RAND stem from its development of systems analysis. Important contributions are claimed in space systems and the United States' space program, in computing and in artificial intelligence. RAND researchers developed many of the principles that were used to BUILD THE INTERNET. Numerous analytical techniques were invented at RAND, including aspects of dynamic programming, game theory, the Delphi method, linear programming, systems analysis, and exploratory modeling. RAND also contributed to the development and use of wargaming." (Wiki)

The influence of RAND and the respect it enjoys around the world are huge. That doesn't mean that I agree with it nor that it's a positive influence in the world. It's obviously part of the imperial machinery of the US that works and plots continuously to keep the US as the global empire.

I may not agree with its work but I do agree with Eric that it is hugely respected. That goes without saying.
Rampart
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:52 AM

[the Delphi method]

Ah yes... I know THAT one.

That was how they came up with the answer that it takes 400 small nukes to destroy the US as an economic power forever. (this was classified for a long time)

So RAND was the one responsible for that? OK... maybe they do know their stuff then.

Incidentally, this is why most countries aim for an arsenal of 300 to 450 nukes. LOL
Usman
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 1:48 AM
Very well informed and written. it seems to be like that mr. eric is now a days in Pakistan and viewing all this situation. I would love to read more on indo-pak. Lets hope for the best for these two nations who don't want to fight but are on verge of fight due to the international conspiracies supported by indian government.

Regards,
Usman
ys
Tuesday, December 16, 2008 2:33 AM
This is a well written article.

I must mention that Eric's writers notebook for Dec 15 and 12 is also worth a look.
http://www.ericmargolis.com/notebook.aspx

I think Eric was not denied access to Musharraf, but he didn't think he was as smart as Zia (I agree to an extent, Mush wasn't as self-servingly cuning); but Eric started calling Mush a murderous dictator, as if he was some sort of Saddam Hussein lite. He wasn't; Zia is the closest thing we had to Saddam and even he didn't go that far.

It was the disenchantment with Musharraf that led Eric to not have a great deal of communication with him and thus to get a little "behind the times" when it came to Pakistan.

I have a feeling Eric is catching up. His recommendation of Tariq Ali's "The Duel" is a sign of it. Maybe Eric just didn't like the idea of "The General as Chief Executive".
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:28 AM
I agree with Eric and disagree with you, about Zia and Musharraf-Simply Zia helped pakistan become more independent minded-Before him pakistan was just an american puppet-and so was a competent dictator-Musharraf on the other hand just made a 180 degree turn, in words of condi rice, from Zia. Musharraf ended being a stooge of the americans while crying that he was defending pakistani interest -He was part of the puzzle which is being executed by US and India and Israel to break up Pakistan-Please ask your self the following questions:
Q1: Who gains from the instability in Pakistan?
Q2: Kashmiris civilians are terrorized daily, why it is not covered by CNN, BBC and Fox News?
Q3: Why cannot we hear the end of Mumbai incident, from the main news outlets now? Of course it is bad and should be reported-But it is blown out of proportions. Do you know that 400 or so Nigerians muslims were killed during the same time by christians in Job region, but it was not covered-Why?
Q4: It is obvious to any thinking persons, That this continuous media campaign is to demonize muslims and islam-there are bad elements in all cultures and religions and islam has it share, but it is not so different when everything is properly accounted for-
Victor1971
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:04 PM
I'm an Indian and first thought I just have a difference of opinion with this gentleman until I read his comment Hamid Gul is a patriot. This gentleman is simply it seems a propagndist for the Pak army.
India is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious society founded on an ideal that every one is equal under the constitution. Many of its citizens have attempted to undermine its foundations over the years, and continue to do so. THIS DOES NOT NEGATE OR UNDERMINE THE IDEA OF INDIA AND WHAT it has accomplished so far. Christian defense minister, Sikh prime minister, Muslim President, Orthodox Jews living in Mumbai this is what we are about and this is what we cherish. To pull this, and conduct elect democratic governments for 61 years is no small feat.

Myths are peddled by "experts" like this gentleman in Western media --- once " Kashmir problem" is solved everything will be hunky dory. There is Kashmir “problem” and then there is Pakistan problem, the latter a much bigger threat to humanity...the land of "non-state actors".

Kashmir is not a fight about real estate, but a survival question for Indians. It is a question about the very idea of India as a country, as a concept. 150 million muslims live in India in its villages and cities across the length and breadth of the country. There are many neighborhoods of cities and villages, with Muslim majority. Should they all become independent? 1000 pakistans across India ? This may sound like a rhetorical question but this was exactly what was visualized by some of the Pak ideologues pre-1947 and still dreamed by many in the Pak army and ISI. The founder and its ideologues expressed dissatisfaction at the “moth-eaten” Pakistan they got in 1947. And they still have not gotten over it.



ETHNICITIES AND SECTS living in the current borders of Pakistan are killing each other, and the country has failed to achieve nationhood. Shia- Sunni violence, ethnic violence between Mohajirs and Sindhis, and Pashtuns?? How will acquiring new lands, and ethnicities solve Pak's problems? Will they ever indulge in nation building? Do they need more lands? Will they ever focus on education, and progress? Will they ever stop being the warrior country? From 1947 onwards things haven't panned the way founders of Pakistan dreamed of. Both the British and Pak founders thought Pak would grow and do much better than India , and didn't expect India to survive together for too long. Large chunks of Pak population, and the "Pakistani two nation theory ideologues" in Pak military establishment still cannot digest the success of India . Mr. Ralph Peters has written a much more perspicacious article in New York Post on the Mumbai massacre pointing out envy is the key motivator.



How long and how far will Pakistan indulge in this jehad? Murdering unarmed civilians backed up with the threat of nuclear war? It is high time rest of the humanity stands up with India for , not for the sake of India, but for its own sake.





Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:14 AM
You said
"India is a multi-ethnic, multi-religious society founded on an ideal that every one is equal under the constitution. Many of its citizens have attempted to undermine its foundations over the years, and continue to do so. THIS DOES NOT NEGATE OR UNDERMINE THE IDEA OF INDIA AND WHAT it has accomplished so far. Christian defense minister, Sikh prime minister, Muslim President, Orthodox Jews living in Mumbai this is what we are about and this is what we cherish. To pull this, and conduct elect democratic governments for 61 years is no small feat."

This is Text-book Stuff- The Common-man in India is the main point-Most indian muslims and Low-caste persons are basically powerless! Indian Text books indoctrinate kids from the beginning how great india is? But the reality is quite different-BJP [a terorsist fanatical hindu party]is a reality in India and your name Victory1971 shows that you are perhaps gloating over a "victory" over pakistan army in 1971 war, when you created bangladesh? That shows your tolerance-
Pakistanis are not Iraqis-they are pretty damm smart! They already know Your Game Plan:viz,
Suck up to Britian and America and israel while you are at it!, and disintegrate Pakistan-Your dishonesty makes me sick-
Victor1971
Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:21 PM
Ha ha. Very funny. Looking at ur agitated, deluded jihadi ramble it looks like you don't like my posting here.

Your bluster will make sense if only your "country" didn't beg and circulated the begging bowl to infidels around the world. Even when Gordon Brown came, you gladly accepted beggary. What can you produce? Using the technology produced by the infidels, you came to a commuter train station on shot down unaremd civilians including 40 muslims. What are you a professor in "Islamic studies".. I pity you and your hatred. Humanity has to face up to you. I grew up, went to school with muslims. Exchanged dishes for Hindu and Muslim festivals. How would you know hate monger, a jiahdi terrorist!
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 12:59 AM
Please keep posting here-so that people learn the true face of you: Super BJP Fanatical Rat terrorist-If you make any more personal insults-I am a proud Pukhtoon Afghan and you remember mahmud of ghazni-Who openly challenged all your warriors and Won-Your are nothing but a Anglais Kiss ass! period-Most westerners are smart enough to see your dirty games-You fanatic, you will die of your own hatred-
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 1:20 AM
Even a BJP Fanatic like you can say a useful thing now and then- I agree with you that the current Pakistani Govtt. is a begger. Sorry to disappoint you But I am not BJP terrorist like you and Advani and Modhi. I do not believe even in killing terrorists like you, simply locking you away in some jail-guarded by people you have been terrorizing-including hindus, muslims, christians etc
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:41 AM
You said" I'm an Indian and first thought I just have a difference of opinion with this gentleman until I read his comment Hamid Gul is a patriot. This gentleman is simply it seems a propagndist for the Pak army."
It is even more simpler: Hamid Gul is an Independent-minded Pukhtun/Pathan like me and Not a British-American[Anglais]
Chamacha like you-
Rampart
Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:29 AM

[I'm an Indian]

Believe it or not, you are the FIRST Indian here who ADMITS he is from India. LOL

For that display of courage alone, you should get a medal... with lots of pointy bits.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:29 AM
For Victory1971: Complements Paid to you by your "Friends":
The Source: BBC! and declassified Documents:!

Nixon's dislike of 'witch' Indira
Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon
Kissinger and Nixon opposed an independent Bangladesh
Ex-US President Richard Nixon called Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi an "old witch", according to recently released documents from the 1970s.

His national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, said "the Indians are bastards anyway" in the run-up to the India-Pakistan war of 1971.

At the time, the US saw India as too close to the then Soviet Union.

The US state department has declassified many documents this month on US foreign policy of the time.

One key conversation transcript comes from the meeting between President Nixon and Mr Kissinger in the White House on 5 November 1971, shortly after a meeting with the visiting Indira Gandhi.


MAY 26 1971
Kissinger: They are the most aggressive goddamn people around there
Nixon: The Indians?
Kissinger: Yeah
Nixon: Sure

"We really slobbered over the old witch," says President Nixon.

"The Indians are bastards anyway," says Mr Kissinger. "They are starting a war there."

He adds: "While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too. She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war."

'Special relationship'

The Indo-Pakistan war took place between November and December 1971.


Richard Nixon
The Pakistanis are straightforward and sometimes extremely stupid. The Indians are more devious, sometimes so smart that we fall for their line
Richard Nixon

It had its roots in demands in 1970 by East Pakistan, later Bangladesh, for independence.

In March 1971, Pakistan's military acted to put down the secessionists there. Millions fled to India's West Bengal state.

India supported an independent Bangladesh and ties with the US plummeted in August 1971 when Delhi signed a treaty with the Soviet Union that included mutual military assistance in case of war.

President Nixon, on the other hand, had developed a "special relationship" with Pakistan's then military dictator, General Yahya Khan.

In a White House conversation with Mr Kissinger on 4 June 1971, President Nixon berates his ambassador to India, Kenneth Keating, for wanting to, as Mr Kissinger puts it, "help India push the Pakistanis out".

President Nixon says: "I don't want him to come in with that kind of jackass thing with me... Keating, like every ambassador who goes over there, goes over there and gets sucked in."

Indira Gandhi
Indira Gandhi sought stronger links with the Soviet Union

Mr Kissinger then says: "Those sons-of-bitches, who never have lifted a finger for us, why should we get involved in the morass of East Pakistan?

"If East Pakistan becomes independent, it is going to become a cesspool. It's going to be 100 million people, they have the lowest standard of living in Asia."

President Nixon replies: "Yeah."

Mr Kissinger: "They're going to become a ripe field for communist infiltration."

President Nixon then openly courted China to try to turn the tide of the war Pakistan's way.

With the Indian army and armed Bengali separatists winning, the US on 10 December 1971 urged Beijing to mobilise troops towards India, saying the US would back it if the Soviet Union became involved.

China declined and on 16 December the war ended with the Indian army and Bengali separatists taking Dhaka.

Exiled leaders had declared Bangladesh independent on 26 March 1971 and, in 1972, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman returned to become the country's first prime minister.
Victor1971
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:08 PM
Ladak is the largest geographic area of Indian- administered Kashmir, people who live in Ladakh are Buddhists. Hindus live in the Jammu region of Kashmir. These people are scared to death about the Muslims of the Kashmir valley seceding from India. Google search yourself Ladakh Buddhist Association. Kashmiri Hindus who have lived in the Kashmir valley have undergone genocide and have been ethnic cleansed from the Kashmir, thanks to Pakistan''s terrorism. http://www.kashmiri-pandit.org/atrocities/index.html

Lashkar-e-Toiba has publicly declared its ultimate goal ...is to have the "Islami flag" fly on Delhi's Red Fort and it shares the ultimate goal of Osama-bIn-laden who wants to fly the "Islamic flag" on the White House. Today Mr.Margolis will ask India to give up kashmir, tomorrow he'll say India should give up New Delhi. India will do what it has to do in its best interests and that is refusing to redraw maps.
ALSO, fyi....In 1947, at the time of partition of India and Pakistan, 20% of the population in the geographic area that constitutes the present day ISLAMIC REPUBLIC OF PAKISTAN were HINDUS........Take a guess how many Hindus live now??? less than one percent!!!!

"Tolerance" of the Islamic republic of Pakistan is for every one to see!!




Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:41 AM
This is just to point out: That your argument is one-sided and must be rejected outright on the basis of common-sense. The truth is always in the middle, as experience always shows.
Victor1971
Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:23 PM
blah.
And your comment is NOT one-sided. What are you saying here? duh.
Victor1971
Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:28 PM
And not surprisingly you didn't dispute any facts since my facts on ethnic cleansing are accurate. India is winning, your hatred is eating you from the inside. After 61 years, looks where you are. It is pretty shameful. I'm reading some articles in Pak English papers where people wanto get rid of people like you and Gul.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 1:06 AM
Your true objective it to divide people, by your damm cliches-You are out of luck, since nowadays people are too smart to fall for your outdated-Hate Mongering Crap, Divide and Rule-In Afghanistan and pakistan we disagree-so what-That is healthy-What counts that Fanatics like you must be isolated-That is the key-There are many good indians who do not buy your crap-and who are more in tune with the suffering of the common man-
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 1:10 AM
You are talking nonsense, I did not bother to refute your "facts" since they are more like a Fanatical BJP propaganda rather than from Neutral Source!
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 1:41 AM
Replying to :"Tolerance" of the Islamic republic of Pakistan is for every one to see!!
Many Indians, who are my friends admit that People in Pakistan are very Hospitable-I know
many cases where many hindus were saved from getting murdered by muslims in 1947 mayhem .
Of-course there are Fanatics on both sides, like yourself, who only consider the other Guilty.
I think that you fanatics on both sides must be Constrained into jails, till we achieve True Peace,
without always blaming the other-Unfortunately in the last 20 years or so Fanatics have been elected everywhere:
1: GWBUSH in US
2: Howard In Australia
3: Blair in UK
4: Sarkozy in france
5: BJP in India
Both Indian and Pakistani Govtts. are involved in Terrorism-not just one-That is clear to any person looking at the situation objectively-And you have To understand the Bigger Picture, that Britian left Kashmir as a Bone as they say, in their private gatherings, between two Dogs!
Come on let us make an effort to be more intelligent and resolve issues amicably instead of trivial cliches like Flying Flags-Nationalism on both sides is the Key Problem! Everyone in pakistan and india is brainwashed to believe that they are right and they must "win". I think this is childish nonsense- One solution is: Kashmir which is disputed could be a "Mutually governed"
region and kashimiri people should be allowed freedom, in the sense that both India and Pakistan, interfere "minimally" in their affairs-
cleesburg
Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:53 PM
The people of Kashmir, especially the Muslims, simply do not want to have anything to do with the Hindus. India has to realize this, as simple as that! If India is truly democratic, it should let local people decide their own fate and identity. The rest of India that do not want to leave the Indian country can play their idea of "India" or whatever, I say "good luck".
Victor1971
Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:32 PM
No one is taking you seriously, no one ever will. Come what may. What can you do? Bombing, shooting civilians, that's all you have. In the process making your country face the spit of the whole world. Begging for money and food all over.
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:15 PM
You are forgetting that the Mumbai attack may or may not have had ISI support; but it Did have Indian Muslim support.

I must admit, I think you are the first Indian to openly come here as an Indian nationalist.

And your tokenist examples aren't very amusing.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 12:53 AM
I agree with you on the part about begging money habit of the current pakistani govtt. It is indeed shameful that they do so-They must learn to be dignified-about bombing civilians both india and pakistan unfortunately have not learnt the value of human life-
ys
Friday, December 19, 2008 1:16 AM
Its right, this habit of begging must come to an end. We have enough raw fossil fuel in the country to begin looking for some energy (and monetary) independence.
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:18 AM
You can point to the tokenism of ministers of different religion in India, but so what?

We had an acting Chief Justice in Pakistan, the honourable Justice Rana Bhagwandas, who sacrificed his high office for principle.

His opposition to brute power might be held up by Pakistanis as an example in the sort of tokenist vein you are pursuing your argument in; but we won't do it, because that sort of talk masks reality, and in the end is pointless.

A far better man than I said that the true scandal of South Asia is that the wooden plow exists along with the atomic pile. This is the real scandal.

The problem of Kashmir has to do with the facts of elections rigged during the 1980's combined with us not letting a people's power path be pursued. As for the Muslims you cite in India, good for them, but there is a vast underclass in both these countries. I think it is time we asked them what their opinion on "terrorism" and "Indo-Pak War" are. Neither cares for it; and entither wishes to instigate it, because it is irrelevant to the real problems we face.

And Eric can throw all the sops he wants to his old buddies from the eighties, but the reality is that Hamid Gul is nothing but a peacock. The real people who hold power are the ones who instituted "India’s commendable restraint" (starting a nuclear war over 200 dead ppl? Nobody's that stupid) and "Pakistan’s action in shutting down Kashmiri militant groups" (who are these retarded beards to move into India without telling us) that in Eric's words defused the military crises.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 2:05 AM
It is useful to get the other side of the argument, Mr Victory1971 claims that India is
an innocent victim of terrorism. Now Pakistanis disagree and think that India , to say the least, has its Share of fanatics and terorrists: Here is their point of view:

Top 3 Indian Terrorists Wanted In Pakistan: Advani, Purohit, Tahckery

The Zardari-Gilani government, which is trying to win favor with both Washington and New Delhi, is ignoring Indian terrorists directly involved in terrorism inside Pakistan and against Pakistani citizens.
Indian Terrorist Number One: L. K. Advani

AdvaniMr. L. K. Advani is wanted in Pakistan in a criminal case in FIR No. 4/1948 registered at a police station in the Pakistani city Hyderabad. Fifteen persons were arrested and tried and convicted by a special court.

Exchange of prisoner was made under Transfer of Prisoners Act, 1949. Mr. Advani, a supposed commander of RSS, is listed as absconder. There were 38 accused persons listed in the charge sheet.





Indian Terrorist Number Two: Col. Srikant Purohit

Col. Srikant Purohit
Col. Purohit was involved in Malegaon bombing, Samjhota Express and three other similar incidents probed by ATS India and set to engage Hindus for recruitment for the purpose of terrorism in Pakistan and Bangladesh.


Indian Terrorist Number Three: Bal Tahckery

Mr. Bal Tahckery is running the most powerful underworld Hindu terrorist organization. He is on record to having invited Hindus to mobilize and raise suicide squads to attacks Indian Muslims. He talks against Pakistan with Tahckery is the mastermind behind the emergence of what many observers see as the Hindu Al-Qaeda.impunity and provides every help to Hindu militants to operate against Pakistan.

There are several Mumbai based operatives in Dubai who are running hotels and could easily be nabbed by Pakistani spy agencies, bundled and smuggled to Pakistan to face trial.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:15 AM
The Big picture: In discussing various issues, we often loose track of the Big Picture: Which is very simply: Why there are all these wars and conflicts?
One of the main reason is Economics, here meaning the survival of Military-Industrial complexes, in order to survive, Wars and conflicts are needed. To be concrete, consider the actual figures:

A deputy Russian prime minister, Sergei Ivanov, said Tuesday that the country's arms exports in 2008 exceeded $8 billion, RIA Novosti reported.
Meanwhile, US arms exports rose to $33.7 billion at the end of the 2008 fiscal year in comparison with the 2007 total of $23.3 billion.

From these figures we can see that the INCREASE in US arms exports rose by $10 billion,
which is $2 billion dollars larger than Russia arms sale!, approximately-So one gets the picture.
That the main problem is not some little groups with AK47 but all these arms dealers, and huge armies-The main question why do we need all these armies: When according to UN rules:
All disputes must be settled by peaceful means. The answer is simple: The militaries are too powerful and will not give up power easily. It would need a real grass root movement across the globe to do away with Military-Industrial complexes everywhere.

Now Russia claims that its sales to iran basically is there to keep peace in the Middle East.
Russia justifies arms sales to Iran:
A senior Russian official says military cooperation between Moscow and Tehran will continue to ensure stability in the Middle East.Fomin's remarks have been interpreted as an indicator that Russian arms sales with Iran will enter a new chapter.
"Military-technical cooperation between Russia and Iran has a positive influence on stability in this region," Alexander Fomin, deputy head of the Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation, said Wednesday.
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:34 AM
Too Long

And you need to laugh.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:43 AM
Sorry, I cannot laugh while many poor people suffer in the world, and stupid people are in positions of power like G W Bush-I rather not laugh-
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:47 AM
"power like G W Bush"

He's been there for eight years; thats a long time not to get a joke
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 3:53 AM
G W Bush is responsible in iraq alone for the death of 1+million people-Anyways just shut-up if you cannot discuss issues seriously-
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:00 AM
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:08 AM
You said "X-D", is this useful conversation? What does it mean?It is meaningless to discuss something, when we do not understand what we are discussing.
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:11 AM
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:13 AM
I want you to explain it, since you put it here.
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:03 AM
Why shut up? Wouldn't that be against freedom of speech?

Don't you believe in freedom of expression?

I think my posts over the last three/two months have shown that I'm quite capable of discussing matters in a mature manner.

That is as opposed to trying to lock down a conversation like a huffy nine year old.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:05 AM
Yes I believe in freedom of expression. But I simply choose not to discuss with you-thanks for your mature remarks-
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:10 AM
Another reason I do not want to discuss with you, since from your notes I can guess that you are just SHOWING OFF!
ys
Thursday, December 18, 2008 4:09 AM
You're Welcome.
chatman
Friday, December 19, 2008 2:11 AM
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam - you do need to develop a sense of humor... an X-D earns a 3 sentence response from you? Don't you have professorial duties that would preclude your spending so much time on this blog?

Victory1971 - I am a person of Indian origin myself, and I know a blinded nationalist when I see one.

In the years since the late 80's, India has enjoyed profound changes, but let's not kid ourselves. India is not about to become the next superpower.. some, like Shashi Tharoor, have argued that Indians should not even try to walk that path. If Indians spent as much time working to repair the obvious problems in their country, rather than trumpeting India's 'democracy' and 'pluralism,' maybe things could truly advance there. As I lie waiting for India to realize it's dreams of superpower-dom, I look for certain real signs, rather than the bluster of nationalists of a "shining India." Perhaps we could start with a population in which the majority of people get at least one meal per day? Or a reduction in the number of 'dowry related' crimes to something less than 8000 (reported) per year? How about visible reduction in visible poverty? (How many disabled street people did you ignore today?) Or local law enforcement that actually works? (or, at the very least, don't evoke the same or worse fears than vandals and criminals?)

In Mumbai, ten people were able to kill 170 before reasonably trained "SWAT" operators could stop them. It should hardly matter that LeT sponsored and armed these ten industrial strength douchebags. Rather than calling for 'surgical strikes' or 'limited war' against Pakistan (whatever that means), they should be excoriating the police and security services for utterly failing in their duty to protect one of India's most well known and oft-visited cities. These guys did not attack Jamshedpur, Indore, or Bhopal, after all... they attacked the Indian equivalent of NYC's TImes Square, Grand Central Station, and the Doubletree... I guarantee that NYC SWAT would've wiped these guys out a lot faster, regardless of where they came from.

The restatement of tokenisms... of women in power here, or religious minorities in office there, belies the fundamental iniquities of Indian society, and the incompetency of India's government. It's great to have lofty ideals codified into laws and Constitutions, but as a student of the American Constitution, codification and enforcement of those ideals are two very different things. I imagine the gulf between the two is even greater in India than it is here, in the United States.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 2:18 AM
"Prof. Dr. Sher Alam - you do need to develop a sense of humor... an X-D earns a 3 sentence response from you? Don't you have professorial duties that would preclude your spending so much time on this blog?" I cannot help it, which is I like to clear up propagandized minds when I see them, secondly things must be clarified! The reason that I spend time here is, that Eric Margolis, is a motivating writer, in my point of view, and I like debating.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Friday, December 19, 2008 2:25 AM
""Prof. Dr. Sher Alam - you do need to develop a sense of humor... an X-D earns a 3 sentence response from you? " I will develop a sense of humor, when people smarten up, and develop some compassion at least for their fellow humans. There are too many serious issues to worry about not having a sense of humor-
Rampart
Friday, December 19, 2008 2:43 AM

[I will develop a sense of humor, when people smarten up, and develop some compassion]

Doctor Saab... when God was handing out compassion, 'Internet' was out smoking a joint and taking a wizz.

If you are looking for compassion, you are looking in the wrong place, I'm afraid.
ys
Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:17 PM
Since we're on the topic of death threats; Lets do another round of Facts'o Eric!

Now children, we know that Eric said Afghanistan's Soviet era spy agency KHAD put out a a bounty on him; did you also know that another threat he got was from his old flame Barbara Amiel (this is after she'ld married the richer Conrad Black) got shrieky about his articles on the Middle East and said he should be banned from writing on that region?

Not a death threat, but certainly a threat to Eric's very good hobby of writing worthwhile columns.

He mentioned as much in an article during the Conrad Black trials.

The man really should put up all his old columns going back to the 1980's.

The guy's webmaster is s-l-o-w. Here we have one article from 2006:

http://www.ericmargolis.com/political_commentaries/from-deepest-manchuria.aspx

go Eric.


And here is the archive till about 2005 for da man as well:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis-arch.html

Lew Rockwell doesn't have it before 2005. God bless and curse them at the same time for their diligence, and its not extending further back then three years.
Rampart
Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:38 PM

See here:

http://www.bigeye.com/fcorrlst.htm


[his old flame Barbara Amiel]

I don't care if you are Chengis Khan... it's a woman that will do you in every time. Or at least she is sure going to try.

Why keep cow at home when you can get milk at supermarket?
ys
Saturday, December 20, 2008 1:42 PM
I think Facts'o Eric is probably a better way to end the week....its more entertaining than throwing 5000 word articles at each other.

Anyway; here's Eric discussing an Indian intervention into a Tibetan uprising:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x53h3b_eric-margolis-war-at-the-top-of-the_news

And here's Gwynne Dyer predicting a Tibetan uprising:
http://www.straight.com/node/172261

As the li'l kids say: "Fun Fun Fun ! ! !"
DoDaCanaDa
Saturday, December 20, 2008 5:19 PM
When I was much younger, I read a little 3x3 newspaper item telling ME the
Americans developed and brought into production the Neutron Bomb. I was
shocked and horrified thinking of the idea being brought into reality. I
thought of the concept of a device that does not destroy the loot, but
releases enhanced dirty radiation into the atmosphere so the people die a
slow, tortuous, painful death.

I wrestled with the new realization that American Power, the self
proclaimed engineers of good in the World, could conceive the idea, and
stock in it´s arsenal, such a pernicious, evil thing.

I made no time to think of God in my self-centered life at that time, but my

first thought was the device is demonic, anti-human, and very evil.

AS I write this now, and looking back, I suppose reading that small item
that day altered my life, opening my mind and Spirit to question more, to
read behind the lines, to be open and fair minded, and not judgmental, and
jumping to conclusions. I know and understand one side is not all good and
right, and the other all evil and wrong. All humanity has a taste of the
Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Now I understand the American fear of a dirty bomb coming home to roost. AS
the World system is entering a time of a tightening economic straight
jacket, if President Obama is going to do as he says, I expect he would find

$billions in savings dismantling the Evil Neutron Bomb program.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Sunday, December 21, 2008 9:05 PM
Thanks you for your comment. Thinking about things in a balanced manner is always useful.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Sunday, December 21, 2008 11:01 PM
The short article pasted below is yet more evidence and strongly supports the statement:
War and Threats of War is Big Business for Military-Industrial-Complex:
It also shows that these "arab" sheikdoms, are just serving the interest of rich-powerful-oppressors, and do not care for the poor and weak, who need food and education, not more military hardware-In any case, as it is plain to any thinking person, they are just wasting money, instead of utilizing it for better purposes-If they are asked to fund some science project, they come up with 100 different excuses to say No.

US defeats Russia in UAE arms race
Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:13:33 GMT
The Arab sheikhdom has decided to reinforce its relations with the White House by purchasing the Patriot surface-to-air missile system.
The United Arab Emirates has overlooked a Russian arms deal, signing a contract worth $3.3 billion to buy missiles from a US firm instead.

The contract with US defense contractor Raytheon will provide the UAE with American-made Patriot missiles, Abu Dhabi based-newspaper National reported Saturday.

The agreement will also include the provision of necessary technology and training for the medium-range missile system, which is part of a multi-tiered defensive shield.

According to the Emirati paper, the UAE was previously prepared to turn to Russia for the purchase of an air defense system. However, the Arab sheikhdom chose the US firm to reinforce its strategic military links with Washington.

The US Defense Department announced in September that it had proposed the sale of helicopters and the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) to the UAE.

The THAAD system is designed to counter short and intermediate-range ballistic missiles both inside and outside the Earth's atmosphere.

The UAE is reportedly bracing itself for the fallout of a potential military conflict in the region.

"If you ask the Iranians, they have no intention to threaten the UAE and I believe the UAE appreciates that," the National quoted an analyst for Janes Land-Based Air Defense magazine as saying. "But like everybody else in an area of conflict, you have to be prepared."

Israel, the possessor of the sole nuclear arsenal in the Middle East, has threatened to launch air strikes against Iran under its allegations that the country is developing a military nuclear program.

Iran rejects the allegations and insists that its work is directed at the civilian applications of the technology.

MD/AA
Usman
Monday, December 22, 2008 5:51 AM
I would like to thanks Prof. Dr. Sher Alam.

A Pakistani.

Thank u Sir.
DoDaCanaDa
Monday, December 22, 2008 8:50 AM
You may recall the early eighties when the U.S. under Reagan and the Soviet Union were raising the tempo and rhetoric to a level so high, they appeared close to a clash more than at any time since the Cuban Missile Crisis. It also appeared no World Leader could calm the increasingly troubled waters.

Drastic times demand drastic action.

On Remembrance Day 1985, in the presence of the Governor-General of Canada, Government Leaders, the Military, Ambassadors of the Nations and 25,000 people I publicly declared,

"Hear O people and Nations, even to the ends of the Earth, the Word of the Lord God, who is, and was, and is to come, The Almighty. The Lord has a controversy with the people. Do you do well to honour the dead, and yet, deny the God of the Living? Why do you follow the vain traditions of men, and make of no effect, the principles of God? You come here for one hour one day a year in a great show of public patriotism, and then forgetting, go back to work and make the same careless mistakes made by the generations prior to the 1st and 2nd World Wars. Hitler was killed, but it's his legacy that remains. A Soviet-American military-industrial complex consuming $trillions of dollars every year, holding the entire World hostage............"

"Hostage" was the last word I said perched on a bus shelter roof, as police got up and grabbed the megaphone. I was arrested for shouting, causing a disturbance, convicted and fined $250. I appealed without a lawyer to the Supreme Court of Canada. They reserved Judgment, but ultimately would not hear the case.

The World is still being held hostage to arms deals and the war on terror.
Desoc
Monday, December 22, 2008 9:23 AM
You sound like you have delusions of grandeur...

The Supreme Court is for precedent-setting cases...not a regular case of some kind of public mischief by some yokel graving attention. And a site like this is not really to brag about your past 'exploits'...such as they are.
DoDaCanaDa
Monday, December 22, 2008 3:43 PM
The Supreme Court precedent was already set. No one can be found guilty of shouting, causing a disturbance unless an actual disturbance akin to a riot occurred, not just because someone exercised freedom of speech or the Authorities were upset. The lower Courts did not follow the Supreme Court ruling. I did what had to be done at that time.

The Declaration itself is clear and straight forward. There is no delusion or grandeur involved at all. If you would like to comment on the message itself, feel free.

Discussions go all over the place on this site, not restricted just to Mr. Margolis latest writing. It was the last post of Prof. Dr. Sher Alam that prompted me to post this one time experience as a related theme..

It´s unfortunate you have no intelligent response other than disparaging remarks and weak name calling.

BTW, it seems no World Leader can calm the increasingly stormy waters in this time of the economic Pearl Harbour, financial meltdown, Armageddon, doomsday, the abyss, or whatever word of the day the mainline media uses these days, either.
Desoc
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:25 AM
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:44 AM
I want to post this article for several reasons which are as follows:
R1: It is written by an Indian Peace activist Praful Bidwai-and hence gives us a different perspective.
R2: It makes the point that the by taking draconian measure it can help right-wing fanatics, who are just blood thirsty-
R3: These laws are just a front to accuse people that people in power may not agree with-
R4: It encourages us to think critically about our govtt. rather than be taken over by the disease of nationalism: As it is well said by: RHJackson:
It is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error. – Robert H. Jackson
R5: Thanks God for Patience He taught us, as muslim the crap and discrimination we are going through is enough to drive anyone to extremism-I do not want to name some group of people, but if the shoe was on the other foot-there would be mayhem and it would be called" We are Fighting for our freedom!"
December 21, 2008
New Anti-Terror Laws Draconian Say Activists
by Praful Bidwai

Following the late November terror attacks in Mumbai, India has passed two tough laws being seen by rights activists as potentially eroding the country’s federal structure and limiting fundamental liberties.

Parliament – meeting under the shadow of the November 26-29 attacks on India’s commercial hub resulting in close to 200 deaths – approved the legislation on Thursday with no considered debate and the ruling United Progressive Alliance (UPA) of Prime Minister Manmohan Singh pushing them past amendments tabled by several parliamentarians.

One law, the National Investigation Agency (NIA) Act, seeks to establish a new police organization to investigate acts of terrorism and other statutory offenses.

The other, the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Amendment (UAPA) Act, radically changes procedures for trying those accused of terrorism, extends the periods of police custody and of detention without charges, denies bail to foreigners, and the reverses the burden of proof in many instances.

Civil liberties activists and public-spirited citizens are appalled at the new laws, which they describe as draconian and excessive in relation to the measures India really needs to take to fight terrorism.

"The UAPA Act is particularly vile, and will have the effect of turning India into a virtual police state," says Colin Gonsalves, executive director of the Delhi-based Human Rights Law Network. "It basically brings back a discredited law, the Prevention of Terrorism Act of 2002 (POTA), except for admitting confessions made to a police officer as legal evidence."

POTA was an extremely unpopular law, which the UPA government abrogated upon coming to power in 2004 in response to innumerable complaints of its selective and discriminatory use against India's Muslim minority, and its cavalier and irresponsible application to offenses not even remotely connected with terrorism.

While rescinding POTA, the UPA kept in place all of India's criminal laws, which are much stricter than those in many democracies.

In addition, it also enacted an amendment to the Unlawful Activities Act, 1967, which increased punishment for committing acts of terrorism and for harboring terrorists or financing them, enhanced police powers of seizures, made communications intercepts admissible as evidence, and increased the period of detention without charges to 90 days from the existing 30 days.

However, this was not enough to please those who want a "strong" militarized state which will prevent and punish terrorism by violating the citizen’s fundamental rights, including the right to a fair trial, and not to be detained without charges.

India's main right-wing political group, the Bharatiya Janata Party, has been stridently demanding that POTA be reenacted. Until recently, the UPA, the Left and other centrist parties stood firm in rejecting the demand despite the numerous terrorist attacks that India has suffered over the past few years.

"But now, the UPA has suddenly, and shamefully, caved in to the BJP's demand under the pressure of elite opinion," says Jairus Banaji, a highly regarded Mumbai-based social scientist. "The capitulation seems to be based on the UPA’s anxiety to counter the BJP's ridiculous charge that it lacks the will to fight terrorism, and on its political calculations about the next general election due by May."

In its desperation to be seen to be taking a tough stand against terrorism, the Manmohan Singh government also tabled the NIA Bill earlier this week. The new agency will specifically investigate offenses related to atomic energy, aviation and maritime transport, weapons of mass destruction, and Left-wing extremism, besides terrorism.

Significantly, it excludes Right-wing terrorism, which has become a greater menace in India.

Unlike the existing Central Bureau of Investigation, which needs the consent of a state before investigating crimes there, the NIA will not need a state's concurrence. This is a serious infringement of the federal system, where law and order is a state subject.

Many state governments and regional political parties have sharply criticized the Act on this count. In India, Central agencies are politically vulnerable to manipulation by New Delhi and often used to settle scores with states ruled by opposition parties.

The NIA Act also provides for special courts to try various offenses This too has drawn criticism from eminent lawyers such as Rajeev Dhavan, who argues that the potential misuse of this anti-terror legislation will now "come from both the states and the union, which can hijack the case."

The UAPA Act contains a number of draconian clauses, and is also applicable to the entire country – unlike the Unlawful Activities Act, which was originally not extended to the strife-torn state of Jammu and Kashmir. This too has drawn protests from Kashmir-based political parties and human rights groups.

The stringent clauses cover a broad range, including a redefinition of terrorism, harsh punishment extending from five years’ imprisonment to life sentence or death, long periods of detention, and presumption of guilt in case weapons are recovered from an accused person.

The new definition now includes acts done with the intent to threaten or "likely" to threaten the unity, integrity, security or sovereignty of India, and offenses related to radioactive or nuclear substances, and even attempts to overawe, kidnap or abduct constitutional and other functionaries that may be listed by the government. Dhavan says: "The list is potentially endless."

Under the Act, an accused can be held in police custody for 30 days, and further detained without charges for 180 days, although courts can restrict the period to 90 days.

"This is a travesty of constitutional rights and the rule of law," says Gonsalves. "Even worse is the presumption of guilt in case there is a recovery of arms, explosives and other substances, suspected to be involved, including fingerprints on them. The police in India routinely plants such arms and explosives, and creates a false record of recovery."

"The very fact that offenses such as organizing terrorist training camps or recruiting or harboring terrorists carry a punishment as broad as three or five years to life imprisonment shows that the government has not applied its mind to the issue,’’ Gonsalves added.

Under the Act, there is a general obligation to disclose any information that a police officer of a certain rank thinks is relevant to the investigation. Failure to disclose information can lead to imprisonment for three years. Journalists are not exempt from this.

Besides making telecommunications and e-mail intercepts admissible as evidence, the Act also denies bail to all foreign nationals, and mandates a refusal of bail to anyone if a prima facie case exists, which is decided on the basis of a First Information Report filed by the police.

POTA and its predecessor, Terrorist and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act (TADA), were extensively abused. They typically targeted the religious minorities, specifically Muslims, and allowed for their harassment and persecution.

The TADA story is especially horrifying. Some 67,000 people were arrested under it, but only 8,000 put on trial, and a mere 725 convicted.

Official TADA Review Committees themselves found the law’s application untenable in all but 5,000 cases. In 1993, Gujarat witnessed no terrorism, but more than 19,000 people were still arrested under TADA.

Religious minorities were selectively targeted under both Acts. For instance, in Rajasthan, of 115 TADA detainees, 112 were Muslims and three Sikhs.

Gujarat had a worse pattern under POTA, when all but one of the 200-plus detainees were Muslims, the remaining one a Sikh.

The passing of the two new laws is certain to increase the alienation of India's Muslims from the state. They have been the principal victims of India's anti-terrorism strategy and activities in recent years.

Muslims are first to be arrested and interrogated after any terrorist incident, even when the victims are Muslims, and although strong evidence has recently emerged of a well-ramified pro-Hindu terrorist network, in which serving and retired army officers were found to be key players.

Muslims also distressed at the alacrity and haste with which the new laws were passed, especially since it contrasts with the UPA government’s failure to enact a law it promised five years ago to punish communal violence and hate crimes targeting specific religious groups.

"This will pave the way for more disaffection amongst Muslims and make the social and political climate more conducive to terrorism," argues Gonsalves. "Even worse, it will promote excesses of the kind associated with state terrorism. And that is no way to fight sub-state terrorism."
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:58 AM
People are lectured on terrorism, but what about the use of Cluster Bombs? Is this not a form of very savage terrorism? I have got this information from www.antiwar.com:
Request for Cluster Bombs By India from US:
"But the Singh Administration’s dismissal of “war hysteria” is likely to be tempered somewhat by news that the Indian Defense Ministry is asking the United States to fast track its previous order of $375 million worth of cluster bombs. And with India and Pakistan both deploying growing numbers of forces along their common border, tensions between the two are unlikely to be improved by blithe dismissals."

This shows once again that the real and fundamental problem is too much military and its Misuse-US will get $375 million for its Noble Democratic Cause for selling Cluster bombs which maim indiscriminately to the Secular Peace Loving India which is being terrorized by a bunch of guys! who are being funded by Pakistan-It is obvious to any thinking person that Pakistan is being Framed-
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:16 AM
Why they [US and NATO=SSS] are in Afghanistan?
All thinking Neutral Rational People understand Why the SSS is in Afghanistan, for example Eric Margolis, Prof. Dr. Michael Choudowsky of Ottawa University. There are many reasons. Here I give another reason-Building Military Bases and making Money While being At It-I got this from Washington Post! so people cannot complain about the source! It is an imperialist Newspaper!

Please pay attention to the money involved, and the weight these military contractors carry.

Contracts Point to Significant U.S. Commitment in Afghanistan



By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, December 25, 2008; A05

Earlier this month, standing at Kandahar Air Field in Afghanistan, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said the United States is making a "sustained commitment" to that country, one that will last "some protracted period of time."

A series of new proposals coming out of the Pentagon make clear a significant aspect of that commitment: up to $300 million in construction projects at the base, in order to house more than 5,000 additional American forces. And the timeline of the proposals appears to indicate that these troops would arrive in Afghanistan much later in 2009 than U.S. officials have announced thus far.

Gates has talked of sending up to four additional brigade combat teams to Afghanistan early next year. One brigade, consisting normally of around 3,500 soldiers, is due to arrive in January. Gates said recently that he hoped another two brigades would be sent by spring. Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said last Saturday that by next summer, up to 30,000 U.S. troops would join the 31,000 already in Afghanistan.

The indication of additional troop deployments in the works for next winter comes in three solicitations from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for military housing contracts. Each could cost up to $100 million, with two of the three scheduled for completion by late next year.

The most recent of these solicitations came this week, when the Corps of Engineers sought bids on design and construction of two barracks to hold 2,000 members of a future Army brigade. The project also includes constructing guard stations and towers and perimeter fencing around the barracks area; putting in vehicle inspection areas; renovating a building to house administration offices; and constructing a separate office building and a cold-storage warehouse.

The proposal, which was updated Monday, also allows for the winning contractor to offer an "optional" bid on constructing a third barracks for another 1,000 troops -- something that was not part of the original proposal. The contractor would have a year to complete the project from the time it is awarded, so the new barracks could not be fully occupied until the end of 2009.

Another project, put out for bid earlier this month, involves construction of a new power plant for the Kandahar base, as well as electrical and water distribution systems and communications lines. In addition, it calls for relocating housing for the approximately 1,500 personnel who sustain the systems, a headquarters building and other storage, maintenance shops, warehouses and other supporting infrastructure. Scheduled to be awarded at the end of February, that project also is supposed to be completed by the end of 2009.

At another section of Kandahar Air Field, the Corps of Engineers is proposing an installation to house a corps support battalion, adjacent to an Afghan National Army garrison. The structure will initially house 665 soldiers, but eventually, according to the notice, 1,640 will live there.

Another indication of the Pentagon's expanding, long-term involvement in Afghanistan comes in a pre-solicitation proposal from the Corps of Engineers to supply operation and maintenance services for Afghan National Army installations around the country. The contract could run as high as $500 million over five years, beginning next October. The Army Corps said it is looking for qualified firms that would provide all public works functions for the Afghan National Army at its bases, even to the point of keeping its utilities and other infrastructure fully operational.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:50 AM
Many Faces of Politics: It is amazing and it is true that Politics is best described as a Dirty Game-Especially Nowadays-where it is basically to put it simply:"My Interest and the hell with all others" simple Operational Principle nowadays. From the transcript below, now declassified: We can learn many lessons: especially I hope all the honest but simple people learn a lesson:
1: Do not Get Framed-nowadays especially gullible young people get sucked in by military machines to fight un-necessary wars
2: These Super-powers just keep extending their hegemony since most of us are too stupid to know any better
3: Say no to War and nationalism, since it benefits no one but the hegemonists

Complements! Paid to Indians and Indira Gandhi by the current allies of India:

The Source: BBC! and declassified Documents:!

Nixon's dislike of 'witch' Indira
Henry Kissinger and Richard Nixon
Kissinger and Nixon opposed an independent Bangladesh
Ex-US President Richard Nixon called Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi an "old witch", according to recently released documents from the 1970s.

His national security adviser, Henry Kissinger, said "the Indians are bastards anyway" in the run-up to the India-Pakistan war of 1971.

At the time, the US saw India as too close to the then Soviet Union.

The US state department has declassified many documents this month on US foreign policy of the time.

One key conversation transcript comes from the meeting between President Nixon and Mr Kissinger in the White House on 5 November 1971, shortly after a meeting with the visiting Indira Gandhi.


MAY 26 1971
Kissinger: They are the most aggressive goddamn people around there
Nixon: The Indians?
Kissinger: Yeah
Nixon: Sure

"We really slobbered over the old witch," says President Nixon.

"The Indians are bastards anyway," says Mr Kissinger. "They are starting a war there."

He adds: "While she was a bitch, we got what we wanted too. She will not be able to go home and say that the United States didn't give her a warm reception and therefore in despair she's got to go to war."

'Special relationship'

The Indo-Pakistan war took place between November and December 1971.


Richard Nixon
The Pakistanis are straightforward and sometimes extremely stupid. The Indians are more devious, sometimes so smart that we fall for their line
Richard Nixon

It had its roots in demands in 1970 by East Pakistan, later Bangladesh, for independence.

In March 1971, Pakistan's military acted to put down the secessionists there. Millions fled to India's West Bengal state.

India supported an independent Bangladesh and ties with the US plummeted in August 1971 when Delhi signed a treaty with the Soviet Union that included mutual military assistance in case of war.

President Nixon, on the other hand, had developed a "special relationship" with Pakistan's then military dictator, General Yahya Khan.

In a White House conversation with Mr Kissinger on 4 June 1971, President Nixon berates his ambassador to India, Kenneth Keating, for wanting to, as Mr Kissinger puts it, "help India push the Pakistanis out".

President Nixon says: "I don't want him to come in with that kind of jackass thing with me... Keating, like every ambassador who goes over there, goes over there and gets sucked in."

Indira Gandhi
Indira Gandhi sought stronger links with the Soviet Union

Mr Kissinger then says: "Those sons-of-bitches, who never have lifted a finger for us, why should we get involved in the morass of East Pakistan?

"If East Pakistan becomes independent, it is going to become a cesspool. It's going to be 100 million people, they have the lowest standard of living in Asia."

President Nixon replies: "Yeah."

Mr Kissinger: "They're going to become a ripe field for communist infiltration."

President Nixon then openly courted China to try to turn the tide of the war Pakistan's way.

With the Indian army and armed Bengali separatists winning, the US on 10 December 1971 urged Beijing to mobilise troops towards India, saying the US would back it if the Soviet Union became involved.

China declined and on 16 December the war ended with the Indian army and Bengali separatists taking Dhaka.

Exiled leaders had declared Bangladesh independent on 26 March 1971 and, in 1972, Sheikh Mujibur Rahman returned to become the country's first prime minister.
Prof. Dr. Sher Alam
Thursday, December 25, 2008 5:34 AM
To support the argument: That India has more than its Share of Religious and other Terrorists, I am posting the news item below here-Moreover a terrorist [irrespective of religion] is more dangerous if he/she/group/country is supported by nuclear and other WMD, than a "terrorist" who has simple ammunitions.


Attack Pakistan, don't warn, says Bal Thackeray India's Hindu Terrorist
Tuesday, 23 December 2008 00:31
Describing the present regime at the helm of affairs in the country as 'impotent', Hindu extremist group Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray on Monday stressed the need for imposition of emergency. "Only Indira Gandhi had the guts to handle threats which endangered national security. There is no use of issuing just warnings to Pakistan. The government should have the daring to attack it," Thackeray told his party mouthpiece 'Saamna' in an interview.

On his self-imposed exile from public life, Thackeray said he did not wish to be a part of the present day politics. "I have made a deliberate decision to stay away. Mine is not a political 'sanyas'. You never know what happens in coalition politics," he added.

He said Shiv Sena was making good progress under his son Uddhav Thackeray, also the executive president. "I have handed over the charge to him. He consults me whenever necessary for advice," Thackeray added.
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